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Old Style Stingray
One of the first boats I ever owned was the shovel nose Stingray that WHH produced. I really enjoyed this old style boat and it was an absolute blast to run. Well as things happen I got busy with life, job, wife etc and was not running my boats. My older brother wanted to buy my boat and I opted to sell it to him. Well over the last year I wanted to start running my boats again and decided to order a new one. After searching Tonys web page I noticed they did not show the old style hull. I was heart broken but after an email to WHH he indicated they still had the molds. I ordered the boat with the new M5 motor and should have in a couple of weeks. I asked Tony why more modelers dont run this type of hull. I told Tony this boat is a classic and would like to keep its history alive!
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Permalink Reply by Tony Castronovo on
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Jeff,
Nice to have you aboard on our forum, and I'm glad we can bring a piece of our and your model boating history back for you, and there is also no doubt that the performance with today's engine, our M5 Zenoah will make this boat much faster.
To answer your question about why we discontinued it is pretty simple. When our sales for a specific boat fall under 4-5 per month we had to look at if it was worth or not keeping product made to support that model. Today things are different catering direct to the public and I can afford to keep a specific limited inventory because our obligations are less. I have also spent the better part of 10 years making our products more standardized, or universal for use, so even though we have to do a couple custom proceedures to manufacture your boat, it is doable.
Now as far as racing these types of boats, I always thought it was a great idea because they were and still are popular in full size racing. These types of hydro's are basic renditions of the 2.5 to 5 litter inboard boats, many of them Pinto engine powered and very affordable for the average guy to race. In reality they are about 1/4 scale to the ful size boats between 16-20 feet in length. They run very similar and look great with a semi-scale driver placed in with Velcro, where you can see him bob and weave as the boat takes the natural shovel nose pounding. To get them in the racing field is up to you guys not me, God knows I have tried. It takes three boats to create a class, and if that's not good enough you guys speaking up on a vocal level until you get your way! Remember it's called a "club" and a club is a group not a dictatorship. If you don't like what your club represents or can't seem to convince them that new classes can and are in order to better and prolong the sport, then I suggest starting your own. I don't need to be convinced, I know what the outcome will be if we don't make changes, remember once and (not-so) long time ago there was model boating that was based on Nirto powered boats?
I will do what it takes to see that I can produce what it takes for you guys to compete on any level, and I would love to see our sport start to move into a more professional level with boats detailed like real boats, and drivers respecting each other because of the hard work and effort involved in making these types of boats and classes. I would love to dust the molds off and see this class develop as I thought would happen twenty years ago.The worst that can happen is we get better looking boats, better hobbiests, and keep the fun in gas model boating for years to come.
Thanks,
Tony C.
P.S.- The origonal intent was limitations to the engines to a max of 30cc, a cool paint job, (small town sponsors) and a Canister exhaust, that's it clean and simple and go race! My old friend Chris convinced me to make one for myself back a few years ago, as he had one himself done beautifully under the 1950's RCA logo and paint scheme. We were to do an episode and race each other on DIY TV, and we had a ball. If you can find the episode you can see how two of these detailed side by side can be so exciting. It was also Chris in his true form as he forced me into a giant patch of lilly pads where I was shreeding my way through with green flying everywhere, and on camera yells over, "What the Hell are you doing? Making salad"? He was like working with Tim Conway, I never knew what he would say or do next when the red light was on. After the first show together there was no scripting what so ever, if I had nothing to memorize or read I was safer, man I miss him.
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Here are the actual two driver figures Chris and I had in the boats complete with cobb webs and dust. We also used these for our Crackerbox and are still available.
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Thanks Tony nice to see your so supportive of the boat industry, I hope more modelers get involved with this boat and rc boats in general. I have always tried to own differant stuff and this boat is unique. I have seen the episode wher you an d Chris were mixing it up on the DIY channel. I used to watch his show all the time. It was a shame they cnaceled that show and a bigger loss to loosing Chris. I like dee vees but have always been partial to hydros. I cannot wait to get my boat on the water and mix it up with brothers at our lake house. Thanks for all you do and thanks for recreating a piece of history!
Tony Castronovo said:Jeff,
Nice to have you aboard on our forum, and I'm glad we can bring a piece of our and your model boating history back for you, and there is also no doubt that the performance with today's engine, our M5 Zenoah will make this boat much faster.
To answer your question about why we discontinued it is pretty simple. When our sales for a specific boat fall under 4-5 per month we had to look at if it was worth or not keeping product made to support that model. Today things are different catering direct to the public and I can afford to keep a specific limited inventory because our obligations are less. I have also spent the better part of 10 years making our products more standardized, or universal for use, so even though we have to do a couple custom proceedures to manufacture your boat, it is doable.
Now as far as racing these types of boats, I always thought it was a great idea because they were and still are popular in full size racing. These types of hydro's are basic renditions of the 2.5 to 5 litter inboard boats, many of them Pinto engine powered and very affordable for the average guy to race. In reality they are about 1/4 scale to the ful size boats between 16-20 feet in length. They run very similar and look great with a semi-scale driver placed in with Velcro, where you can see him bob and weave as the boat takes the natural shovel nose pounding. To get them in the racing field is up to you guys not me, God knows I have tried. It takes three boats to create a class, and if that's not good enough you guys speaking up on a vocal level until you get your way! Remember it's called a "club" and a club is a group not a dictatorship. If you don't like what your club represents or can't seem to convince them that new classes can and are in order to better and prolong the sport, then I suggest starting your own. I don't need to be convinced, I know what the outcome will be if we don't make changes, remember once and (not-so) long time ago there was model boating that was based on Nirto powered boats?
I will do what it takes to see that I can produce what it takes for you guys to compete on any level, and I would love to see our sport start to move into a more professional level with boats detailed like real boats, and drivers respecting each other because of the hard work and effort involved in making these types of boats and classes. I would love to dust the molds off and see this class develop as I thought would happen twenty years ago.The worst that can happen is we get better looking boats, better hobbiests, and keep the fun in gas model boating for years to come.
Thanks,
Tony C.
P.S.- The origonal intent was limitations to the engines to a max of 30cc, a cool paint job, (small town sponsors) and a Canister exhaust, that's it clean and simple and go race! My old friend Chris convinced me to make one for myself back a few years ago, as he had one himself done beautifully under the 1950's RCA logo and paint scheme. We were to do an episode and race each other on DIY TV, and we had a ball. If you can find the episode you can see how two of these detailed side by side can be so exciting. It was also Chris in his true form as he forced me into a giant patch of lilly pads where I was shreeding my way through with green flying everywhere, and on camera yells over, "What the Hell are you doing? Making salad"? He was like working with Tim Conway, I never knew what he would say or do next when the red light was on. After the first show together there was no scripting what so ever, if I had nothing to memorize or read I was safer, man I miss him.
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Jeff,
Anytime. I hope you go our there and campaign this class you know I will help all I can. Don't take no for an answer and question why if you get resistance, this can only be good for our industry, and open a different hull design for other manufacturers to follow. We can not allow the small or any manufactures for that matter to dictate what classes, how many, and rewrite rules that better benifit their products. If you look at most any other motorsport, the manufactures are at the mercy of those who put on the show, not the other way around. One time when I was at Nemecheks shop just before the CUP car change and there were like 6-8 Cup cars in all stages in the shop. I asked Joe what happens now? He said, we buy and make the new cars. That pretty much sums up on how it is supposed to be done. The results are new innovations which stem new directions, and new involvement, sure it's costly but so is staying in one place until the end.
I will leave you with this; If the railroad really new what business they were in, they would of bought an airplane.
Tony C.
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Jeff,
I have 2 drop sponson "Old Style" Hydros...One is an Insane Hull w/ mod Z26...perfect size and great handling...
The 2nd is a bit larger "Miss Bardahl"...a bit larger and heavier...but fun to drive...
Nice thing about the Stingray, and the older style hydros, is that you really DRIVE them...lots of fun, and the Nostalgia Factor is Great...
Glad Tony's brought this one back!
This will probably be my next boat from WHH...want very much to have the Schweppes graphic, and everything looking like the real boat...
That's my weakpoint...where to get the original looking graphics...
What a superb boat though!
Post some photos, and ENJOY!!!
I'm Jealous...
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Sam,
I finally had a chance to run the boat over the Labor Day weekend, wow that thing really hooks up. Mine is the yellow one on Tony's web site. really nice boat. I also have an Aeromarine unlimited hydro all painted up. I will have to post some pics of both. thanks for the reply
Sam D Jarvis said:Jeff,
I have 2 drop sponson "Old Style" Hydros...One is an Insane Hull w/ mod Z26...perfect size and great handling...
The 2nd is a bit larger "Miss Bardahl"...a bit larger and heavier...but fun to drive...
Nice thing about the Stingray, and the older style hydros, is that you really DRIVE them...lots of fun, and the Nostalgia Factor is Great...
Glad Tony's brought this one back!
This will probably be my next boat from WHH...want very much to have the Schweppes graphic, and everything looking like the real boat...
That's my weakpoint...where to get the original looking graphics...
What a superb boat though!
Post some photos, and ENJOY!!!
I'm Jealous...
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Yes lots of photos Please...
Jeff Dannenbaum said:Sam,
I finally had a chance to run the boat over the Labor Day weekend, wow that thing really hooks up. Mine is the yellow one on Tony's web site. really nice boat. I also have an Aeromarine unlimited hydro all painted up. I will have to post some pics of both. thanks for the reply
Sam D Jarvis said:Jeff,
I have 2 drop sponson "Old Style" Hydros...One is an Insane Hull w/ mod Z26...perfect size and great handling...
The 2nd is a bit larger "Miss Bardahl"...a bit larger and heavier...but fun to drive...
Nice thing about the Stingray, and the older style hydros, is that you really DRIVE them...lots of fun, and the Nostalgia Factor is Great...
Glad Tony's brought this one back!
This will probably be my next boat from WHH...want very much to have the Schweppes graphic, and everything looking like the real boat...
That's my weakpoint...where to get the original looking graphics...
What a superb boat though!
Post some photos, and ENJOY!!!
I'm Jealous...
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